Comments on: Joel Osteen or Jesus? http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/ A Pilgrim's Progress Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:53:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: terry http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-80 terry Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:20:19 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-80 too much hate and judgement in the world today ..... maybe Mr. osteen has helped some people... i think joels tone of msg is right for some or should i say most... i'd say joels target an audiance of would be ppl who are on the edge.. helps calm folks down and remember where they come from.. Thanks joel too much hate and judgement in the world today ….. maybe Mr. osteen has helped some people… i think joels tone of msg is right for some or should i say most… i’d say joels target an audiance of would be ppl who are on the edge.. helps calm folks down and remember where they come from.. Thanks joel

]]> By: Ash1973 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-42 Ash1973 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:29:00 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-42 Oops, my bad Adam...thx. Oops, my bad Adam…thx.

]]> By: Adam Smith http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-41 Adam Smith Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:54:47 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-41 Just to let you know, my comment was not the one above about tradition. My comment simply stated "enjoyed your post!" I got a little confused by reading through this thread a moment ago; then I realized what happened. The "traditional" comment above says it came from a 'Aigbokhan John.' Well I think I cleared up my confusion. Just wanted to let you know. Feel free to check out my site: smithadam.wordpress.com There is also a Joel Osteen post on there from me. Just to let you know, my comment was not the one above about tradition. My comment simply stated “enjoyed your post!”

I got a little confused by reading through this thread a moment ago; then I realized what happened. The “traditional” comment above says it came from a ‘Aigbokhan John.’

Well I think I cleared up my confusion. Just wanted to let you know.

Feel free to check out my site: smithadam.wordpress.com

There is also a Joel Osteen post on there from me.

]]> By: anglhugnu2 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-32 anglhugnu2 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:16:31 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-32 "God is good, God is just, God is holy and never changes…Man is the one jacking it all up by Satan’s influence..." Well...Ash since God is just (and he is)...and God is holy ( and he is)....and, God never changes (and that is true) why worry about a force or power that pales in the face of such omnipotence. From what you say...you can't possibly be worried God will never be heard in the hearts of men...Or do you really believe men truly have the power to stop hearing God and screw up what beauty God has created in all....If you do...that would run contrary to your belief of an all-powerful creator....and that, we both know is not what you believe. To make a long story short....quite worrying about Joel Osteen and start listening to the active living love of God within you. Love to live the life you've been gifted by a God that loves you always. AngllHugnU2 Author of IM with God “God is good, God is just, God is holy and never changes…Man is the one jacking it all up by Satan’s influence…”

Well…Ash since God is just (and he is)…and God is holy ( and he is)….and, God never changes (and that is true) why worry about a force or power that pales in the face of such omnipotence. From what you say…you can’t possibly be worried God will never be heard in the hearts of men…Or do you really believe men truly have the power to stop hearing God and screw up what beauty God has created in all….If you do…that would run contrary to your belief of an all-powerful creator….and that, we both know is not what you believe.

To make a long story short….quite worrying about Joel Osteen and start listening to the active living love of God within you.

Love to live the life you’ve been gifted by a God that loves you always.

AngllHugnU2
Author of IM with God

]]> By: ash1973 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-27 ash1973 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:24:49 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-27 Off the mark Anglhugnu2, human sacrifices? You use that as an example as if it was condoned by God. Negative Ghostrider. His message has been the same for thousands of years and if these human sacrificing fools felt led by the Holy Spirit it wasn't The Holy Spirit, it was the ruler of air guiding them in their warped view. God laid it all out plain and clear and just because some whack jobs twisted the Truth and used it to their own benefit does not discredit the authenticity of God's message. God is good, God is just, God is holy and never changes...Man is the one jacking it all up by Satan's influence. Joel is a tool of the enemy and leading thousands to a dismal disappointment. Off the mark Anglhugnu2, human sacrifices? You use that as an example as if it was condoned by God. Negative Ghostrider. His message has been the same for thousands of years and if these human sacrificing fools felt led by the Holy Spirit it wasn’t The Holy Spirit, it was the ruler of air guiding them in their warped view. God laid it all out plain and clear and just because some whack jobs twisted the Truth and used it to their own benefit does not discredit the authenticity of God’s message. God is good, God is just, God is holy and never changes…Man is the one jacking it all up by Satan’s influence. Joel is a tool of the enemy and leading thousands to a dismal disappointment.

]]> By: anglhugnu2 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-26 anglhugnu2 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:09:47 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-26 Well....I do believe Ash you hit the problem of this discussion of Joel Osteen finally on the head. Adam was NOT implying old at all...you are implying old. Adam was actually...and correctly using the word "tradition." Tradition is the handing down of practices and belief from one generation to another. Each and every one of those practices and beliefs change for the necessary and proper use for each according to the environment in which they are planted. There is only one constant throughout that behavior. it is all done in an effort to find God successfully. For instance, your use of the word tradtion will never hamper you from finding God. Because regardless of your definition...GOD FINDS YOU! Also, there was a huge tradtion of human sacrifice to the gods passed down from one generation to another. There was a huge practice of persecuting Muslims and Christians alike for the sheer content of their beleifs by other Christians and Muslims mind you. Each of the these practices and beliefs, by their very outcomes, delivered on what was thought the sacred and holy merits of their belief systems. Each felt guided by a holy spirit that lorded over the land. BUT, it became clear to each and every culture that made such practices to be true, they in fact were false. What lasted was the one thing true, a search for God. And, that search for God relied then, as it does now, (like it or not) upon our willingness to do so with the genuine and purposeful God given gift to do so within you and I. The very passion you display each and everyday (whether you know it or not...or recognize it or not) morphs into a better and closer understanding of what it real, what is honest, what is good about The One (God) in you. It's what makes you so gosh darn lovable! AngllHugnU2 Author of IM with God Well….I do believe Ash you hit the problem of this discussion of Joel Osteen finally on the head. Adam was NOT implying old at all…you are implying old. Adam was actually…and correctly using the word “tradition.”

Tradition is the handing down of practices and belief from one generation to another. Each and every one of those practices and beliefs change for the necessary and proper use for each according to the environment in which they are planted. There is only one constant throughout that behavior. it is all done in an effort to find God successfully.

For instance, your use of the word tradtion will never hamper you from finding God. Because regardless of your definition…GOD FINDS YOU!

Also, there was a huge tradtion of human sacrifice to the gods passed down from one generation to another. There was a huge practice of persecuting Muslims and Christians alike for the sheer content of their beleifs by other Christians and Muslims mind you.

Each of the these practices and beliefs, by their very outcomes, delivered on what was thought the sacred and holy merits of their belief systems. Each felt guided by a holy spirit that lorded over the land. BUT, it became clear to each and every culture that made such practices to be true, they in fact were false. What lasted was the one thing true, a search for God. And, that search for God relied then, as it does now, (like it or not) upon our willingness to do so with the genuine and purposeful God given gift to do so within you and I. The very passion you display each and everyday (whether you know it or not…or recognize it or not) morphs into a better and closer understanding of what it real, what is honest, what is good about The One (God) in you.

It’s what makes you so gosh darn lovable!

AngllHugnU2
Author of IM with God

]]> By: ash1973 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-25 ash1973 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:56:35 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-25 Adam, Tradition implies old, or something that passes in time and is replaced with progression. The Message God gave us in the Bible is as applicable today as it was 2,000 years ago. Creative and innovative? No, nothing needs to be changed, God is the same today as He was before He created us and all we have to do is follow Christ and be reconciled with the Father. What Joel does serves the god of this Earth and is leading many to a very big eternal disappointment... Adam,
Tradition implies old, or something that passes in time and is replaced with progression. The Message God gave us in the Bible is as applicable today as it was 2,000 years ago. Creative and innovative? No, nothing needs to be changed, God is the same today as He was before He created us and all we have to do is follow Christ and be reconciled with the Father. What Joel does serves the god of this Earth and is leading many to a very big eternal disappointment…

]]> By: Aigbokhan John http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-20 Aigbokhan John Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:33:23 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-20 I strongly believe that Pastor Joel Osteen is doing a good job. His critics are people who are so glued to the traditional ways of presenting the gospel to the people. The world is becoming fed up with the statusquo. God wants us to be creative and innovative I strongly believe that Pastor Joel Osteen is doing a
good job. His critics are people who are so glued to the
traditional ways of presenting the gospel to the people. The world is becoming fed up with the statusquo. God wants us to be creative and innovative

]]> By: Adam Smith http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-18 Adam Smith Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:30:55 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-18 Enjoyed your post! Enjoyed your post!

]]> By: anglhugnu2 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-17 anglhugnu2 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:28:02 +0000 http://ash1973.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/joel-osteen-or-jesus/#comment-17 "Each of us do not have a message and God certainly does not live in everyone. He lives within those who accepted Christ as his/her Savior." While I appreciate your spiritual journey, I am moved to share with you an interesting aspect of mine. I have come to understand, appreciate, and love the very breath I breathe to be a gift from The One (God) who loves all he created "in his own image and likeness" deeply and passionately. The very secret behind Jesus' wealth of unconditional love was proof for you and I alone to know The Father is readily available if we but take the time to listen and pray constantly. Whether we like it or not, God is the very definition of love. In fact, God IS love. We are the very expression of what God is...Love. God did not create you and I because he was lonely, he wanted to create you and I because he wanted to express his love. There is literally nothing beyond that love or the life God express and provides all to have and enjoy. It is only when we THINK there is something that lay beyond God's love do we experience the vapid wasteland nothingness provides. It is here, in this illusion of nothingness, where war and arguement take place; every body wishing and beleiving their version or vision of Love or God to be correct. Eventually, those who choose such distractions find their Self saying, "there has got to be a better way." At this moment, the light of God's light pierces through the fog of lies and distortions in which we have been placing faith and BOOM we see the light of day where we can not see our shadow. We come to understand more fully we are loved and loved right now despite what we might have thought otherwise. AngllHugnU2 Author of IM with God “Each of us do not have a message and God certainly does not live in everyone. He lives within those who accepted Christ as his/her Savior.”

While I appreciate your spiritual journey, I am moved to share with you an interesting aspect of mine.

I have come to understand, appreciate, and love the very breath I breathe to be a gift from The One (God) who loves all he created “in his own image and likeness” deeply and passionately. The very secret behind Jesus’ wealth of unconditional love was proof for you and I alone to know The Father is readily available if we but take the time to listen and pray constantly.

Whether we like it or not, God is the very definition of love. In fact, God IS love. We are the very expression of what God is…Love. God did not create you and I because he was lonely, he wanted to create you and I because he wanted to express his love.

There is literally nothing beyond that love or the life God express and provides all to have and enjoy. It is only when we THINK there is something that lay beyond God’s love do we experience the vapid wasteland nothingness provides.

It is here, in this illusion of nothingness, where war and arguement take place; every body wishing and beleiving their version or vision of Love or God to be correct. Eventually, those who choose such distractions find their Self saying, “there has got to be a better way.” At this moment, the light of God’s light pierces through the fog of lies and distortions in which we have been placing faith and BOOM we see the light of day where we can not see our shadow. We come to understand more fully we are loved and loved right now despite what we might have thought otherwise.

AngllHugnU2
Author of IM with God

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